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Commission Minutes

July 10, 2001
Spirit Lake Council Chambers
Spirit Lake, Iowa

     
Members Present in the Council Chambers: Dick Stoffer
Robert L. Cramer
Shirley Daggett
Daryl Henze
 
     
Members Absent: Gayle Collins  
     
Guests Present: Steve Schwaller, KUOO
Betsy Tonsfeldt, TIPS trainer
Virgil Wahlman, City of Milford
Cynthia Cramer, Boone
Lewis Casson, Maxwells Beach Café
Craig Twedte, Tweeter’s Okaboji
John Smith, Godfather’s Pizza
Karen Riskdahl, City of Arnolds Park
Sharon Meyer, Woodlyn Hills G.C., Milford
David Jacobson, Okoboji Police Department
Dennis Daly, City of Okoboji
Craig Foss, Outback Lounge
Terry Yarmin, Remington
Steve Daggett, Earlham
Julie Fillenwarth, Fillenwarth Resort
     
Staff Present: Lynn Walding
Jim Kuhlman
Judy Seib
Gary Marker
Linda Cox
Nicole Watson
Nick Podsiadly
     
Legal Counsel Present: John Lundquist, Assistant Attorney General


Call to Order

Chairperson Dick Stoffer called the meeting to order at 10:00 am with a quorum present.

Presentation and Introductions

Chairman Stoffer presented Lynn Walding with a certificate recognizing his twenty years of service to the State of Iowa.

Staff and guests introduced themselves.

Minutes of Previous Meeting

Mr. Stoffer asked for discussion of the April 19, 2001 Minutes. There was no discussion.

  Motion: Bob Cramer moved the Minutes of April 19, 2001 stand approved as submitted. Shirley Daggett seconded the motion, and it passed by unanimous vote.

Sales Report

Total sales for fiscal year 2001 were $110.4 million, which is about $4.9 million above last year’s mark. Sales exceeded $100 million for the first time last year setting a new record. Preliminary figures indicate a 4.6% increase in dollar sales for the year and approximately 1% in volume according to Jim Kuhlman.

Product Buyout Information

The total investment in the Buyout Program for fiscal year 2001 was $9.8 million, a little less than the previous year. The percent of rate of return was 8.6% with a dollar profit of $817,000 for the year.

Financial Report

Jim Kuhlman reported General Fund Transfers through April were $2.5 million ahead of last year due to strong sales and continued efficiencies in the Division’s operations. Figures reflect the highest amount of gallons sold since 1988.

Beer tax collections reflect a fairly constant rise the last several years. Wine tax collections for this year show a slight decline.

Budget

The operating budget for fiscal 2001 was $1.6 million. The Legislature slashed 6% from that budget resulting in a $96,000, or 6%, cut from the FY2001 budget. The FY2002 operating budget is $1.5 million. Also, there was a slight reduction in spendable receipts which is money received by the Division for rent from the Lottery and some of the Divisions of the Department of Commerce. In addition, through negotiations with AFSCME, all state employees were awarded a 3% pay raise effective July 1st; however, the Legislature only funded 78% of the salary increase. The total cut from the operating funds is $119,000 or 7%.

In past years, the Division was allowed to keep fines levied against licensees to expend for educational purposes in a Civil Penalty Fund. A few years ago, the fund became a direct appropriation of $37,500 and was more recently reduced to a $25,000 appropriation earmarked for licensee education. Those funds were used to conduct seminars and to produce videos, produce the red book, Iowa’s Alcoholic Beverage Laws and You, and last year the money was used for the Booze, Butts and Bingo: Retail Compliance Training conducted in 12 cities throughout the state. The Legislature completely cut those funds this year. Although the money is not a significant amount, it reflects a policy shift.

The Tobacco Enforcement budget was cut about $108,000. This was a negotiated amount between the Department of Health and the Alcoholic Beverages Division.

The bottom line of all budget cuts amounted to $228,000 or a total of 7%. Mr. Kuhlman explained that one of the bureau chiefs, Dennis Mitcham, retired in June and his position will remain vacant absorbing a major part of the budget cuts. Mr. Kuhlman has assumed Mr. Mitcham’s duties.

Warehouse Contract Transition

Mr. Kuhlman reported that the advantage of continuing the contract with the J. A. Jones Management Services resulted in a smooth warehouse contract transition. There were several changes in the contract:
  • J. A. Jones Company will backhaul damaged merchandise found by storeowners on a weekly basis providing improved customer service.
  • The Jones Company will be responsible for some warehouse maintenance including maintenance of the dock doors, dock ramps, levelers, outdoor lights, etc.
  • The new price of $1.85 per case will save the General Fund approximately $90,000 this year. Over the course of the five-year term, the savings will be close to $500,000 with increased services. The previous per case price was $1.94.

Administrative Rule on Surety Bond Requirements

Judy Seib reported some of the current rules in Chapter 185 have typographical and scrivener’s errors and the proposed Administrative Rule on Surety Bond Requirements corrects these errors.

Item 1. Amend subrule 185-4.23(4) paragraph f. The rule will reinsert the word no making the rule read no admission fees of any kind . . . .This rule describes a private place for the purpose of a catering privilege as opposed to a public place.

Item 2. Amend subrule 185-5.9(4) as described in the Commission booklet. According to Ms. Seib, the surety bond cancellation language was in the dram shop translation rule and the dram shop cancellation rule was in the surety bond language. The proposed amendment puts the items in the proper section.

Mr. Cramer asked if other alternatives were proposed such as a letter of credit or an escrow of funds. He would like to give the licensees another option for the well-managed place of business to have the coverage without wasting the money. Daryl Henze commented that it would be cheaper for a business to post an escrow account or a letter of credit as opposed to the surety bond. Ms. Seib responded a letter of credit or an escrow of funds would take a statutory change for Class E’s but it wouldn’t for the bars. Several years ago, according to Seib, every bar in the state of Iowa had to have a $500 surety bond because they paid a 15% licensee tax on liquor purchased from state liquor stores. That tax was rescinded and removed from the Code years ago; however, the language in the rule was not updated. The surety bond language is mandatory because Class E licensees buy liquor from the state.

    Bob Cramer moved the two proposed amendments be filed Notice of Intended Action. Daryl Henze seconded the motion and it passed by unanimous vote.

Mr. Walding stated the division would explore options.

State Tobacco Initiative

Lynn Walding complimented Gary Marker, Nicole Watson and others who worked on the tobacco program the first year.

Gary Marker announced that the division is close to signing a new contract with the Department of Health for tobacco enforcement in FY2002. The division will continue to work with the current 202 law enforcement partners as well as expand to other areas. Approximately 8,000 tobacco compliance checks were conducted in the past six months with 100% coverage of the state. The Iowa State Patrol conducted checks in areas where there was no law enforcement partnership coverage. Many local law enforcement officials notify retailers that they are partnering with the Alcoholic Beverages Division and that they will be checking. Mr. Walding sent letters to all permittees in December stating checks would be conducted.

There are approximately 5,000 tobacco retailers statewide, all of whom were checked at least once and many were checked a second time. The division is seeking voluntary compliance; however, the law has stiff penalties for those who do sell. The division has a sub-agreement with the Attorney General’s Office and Assistant Attorney General Kevin McCarthy has been working with city and county attorneys to enforce the laws. In the past, there were no consequences when licensees were not in compliance.

In FY02 the division will supply information to the Department of Health on the federally required SYNAR checks. If 28% or more of the retailers are noncompliant in FY02, Iowa will loose 40% (approximately $5,000,000) of the Substance Abuse Block Grant administered by the federal agency.

The second component of the State Tobacco Initiative is education. The first six months of the program was spent primarily on educational efforts. The tobacco advisory committee (ITACom) indicated they would like to have a calendar at the cash register to help them determine proper age to purchase. The division put together a tear-away calendar for June – December 2001 and a 2002 calendar showing the age an individual must be to purchase either tobacco or alcohol on this date. Break room posters, a 5-step ID process and other training materials have been produced and distributed to retailers.

Nicole Watson gave preliminary reports for FY01. The overall noncompliance rate for the state is 18%. In the past, this has been as high as 30%. In FY01, the State had to have a noncompliance rate of 31%; for FY02 - 28%; FY03 – 20%. The agency’s goal is single digit noncompliance. Unfortunately, convenience stores and grocery stores, which have the greatest proportion of tobacco retailers in Iowa, have the lowest compliance rate. Mr. Marker said it was discouraging to note that 57% of clerks who asked for identification sold to a minor which indicates the clerk did not know how to properly evaluate the ID.

The first round of all retailers checked resulted in 80% compliance, the second round resulted in 87% compliance which shows that active enforcement of tobacco laws is having an effect on sales to minors.

Mr. Marker reported on the pilot program of Cops in Shops in 50 cities where police officers posed as clerks in retail establishments. Over one-half of the tickets written were to adults buying tobacco for kids in the parking lot. The young adult was cited for buying for the juvenile and the juvenile was cited for possession. Publicity surrounding the program was excellent.

Counsel’s Report

Mr. Lundquist stated the large number of complaints listed in the Commission packet is an indication of the educational efforts done by the state to educate law enforcement officers on how to do liquor compliance checks. There is more awareness among law enforcement officers and licensees about what constitutes a violation and more communities are interested in prosecuting administratively these types of violations. To address the backlog of cases and concerns regarding lag time between the complaint and the case actually being heard, field staff has been working in the office helping prepare cases.

The tied house litigation with regard to Game Works continues. There has not been a transfer in ownership at this time.

Mr. Walding stated the complaint against the Union Bar in Iowa City has been settled. The Union Bar paid a $2,000 civil fine and is currently serving a 21-day suspension.

Organizational Chart

The revised organizational chart reflects restructuring based on legislative budget cuts for FY02. The Products/Customer Service Bureau has been merged into the Operations Management Bureau reducing the number of bureaus from four to three.

Mary Strait, Licensing Specialist, took disability and her position in Licensing has not been filled. Annie Carroll has temporarily transferred from Order Entry to Licensing. In addition, the regulatory staff is working in Licensing on a regular basis.

Dram Shop Insurance

According to Lynn Walding, a tragic accident last summer involving the death of a five-year-old child by a drunken driver brought to the forefront the issue of what should be the proper amount of dram shop insurance. Iowa law currently requires every on-premises licensed establishment to provide dram shop insurance. The legislature, in 123.92, determines that the Alcoholic Beverages Division is best suited to determine that rate. Administrative Rule 185, Iowa Administrative Code 5.8, sets the limits of liability. Under current Iowa law, an insurance company writes a 10/20/5 policy providing $10,000 for bodily injury or harm in one instance; $20,000 in the aggregate sense of bodily injury; and $5,000 for loss and means of support. There is nothing explicitly written about property and the $25,000 is all that one person can receive which is very low in comparison to most other jurisdictions.

Nick Podsiadly, with the assistance of Judy Seib and John Lundquist, worked extensively on this issue. The rate has not been increased since the rule was initially put into place in the late 60’s or early 70’s. The statute has been on record since shortly after Prohibition.

The attorney for the parents of the little girl killed has indicated the family is supportive of an increase in dram shop insurance. Other attorneys representing families who lost loved ones as a result of a drunk driver accident have contacted Mr. Walding arguing that rates should be higher.

In drafting the rule, the division worked in coordination with the Insurance Commission to determine the impact on the Alcoholic Beverages Division and what it means with regard to insurance premiums. The final implication will not be clear until after the rule is submitted. The state of Iowa is substantially below the amounts required in many other states.

There are many companies that write dram. There is little competition in the market because the rates are so low; therefore, the companies who do offer dram shop coverage command a fairly high premium. Mr. Podsiadly submitted a draft proposal raising the rates about 3 times the current rate.

The Wisconsin law review article provides justification for states having dram shop. Part of the argument is to provide insurance coverage for victims of drunk driving accidents so they do not feel the economic impact alone. A second reason is that oftentimes the driver does not have adequate coverage and the economic impact falls on the victim. The article talks about putting the responsibility on the licensee class because dram shop insurance is available providing specific insurance for these types of accidents. Another argument is that the licensee class is best able to regulate and control consumption through sales, and that licensees will be more likely to do retail training if they have responsibility and liability.

Mr. Stan Walk, a licensee from the St. Ansgar area, sent a letter to Mr. Walding and the Commissioners in response to an article in the Des Moines Register. He made the following points:
  • The driver should not be allowed to recover damages.
  • Insurance carriers settle claims because it is only $10,000 rather than pay the cost of litigation.
  • People file frivolous claims.

In response to a question by Mr. Cramer regarding contiguous states, Mr. Podsiadly responded:

  • South Dakota and Nebraska do not have dram shop insurance.
  • Wisconsin has host liability only.
  • Missouri does not have dram shop insurance following the interpretation of their Supreme Court Rule.
  • Minnesota has dram shop insurance.
  • Illinois has a capital limit set by their county so their county can impose a stiffer dram limitation. The information was not available by county; however, they are capped on average about $40,000 - $50,000 across the state of Illinois.

In reply to a request for examples of rates in other states, Mr. Walding gave the following: > > Alabama has $100,000

  • Arkansas has $200,000
  • Colorado has $150,000
  • Connecticut has $20,000
  • Maine has $250,000
  • Michigan has $50,000
  • Minnesota has $100,000
  • New Mexico has $50,000
  • North Carolina has $500,000
  • Oregon has $300,000
  • Utah has $500,000

Mr. Podsiadly pointed out that any changes to the way the law is written must be done statutorily. The statutory language requires that every licensed liquor establishment that sells on premises must have three areas of coverage: personal injury or death of a party, loss and means of support and property damage. The rule implements statutory language. The current rule skirts the issue on the limits; the new rule will address each of the separate areas. The idea behind the change in the rule is to update it in a fashion that is relevant to the inflationary rates of insurance policies. The second reason is to address the actual statutory language and correct it to be in tune with what was codified.

Mr. Cramer stated he believes an establishment who pours more should pay more for insurance. Mr. Podsiadly replied that insurance companies use a rate multiplier that goes up or down depending on the number of claims against the establishment, whether server training is offered, the number of liquor sales versus number of food sales and a number of other issues. The insurance company establishes a base rate for the level of coverage. The more violations an establishment has, the rate multiplier will go up exponentially. Establishments with live music four nights a week might draw a different crowd and the insurance companies adjust their rates accordingly. The type of business does play a factor in the insurance premium. The limits set a responsible limit for minimum insurance coverage so that everybody in the state has to have a uniform requirement; however, the type of establishment determines the amount of risk.

Mr. Podsiadly commented that in addition to raising the rates of the inherent coverage, there were some clarifications expanding the coverage currently written. There are a number of loopholes that insurance companies currently use to reduce coverage while maintaining the lowest rate. These companies commonly put in exclusions for continuous coverage during licensee suspension periods. The new rule will have requirements maintaining that they must have insurance even during suspension periods to make sure the coverage is in effect at all times.

The amended rule also addresses comments and changes requested by the Iowa Insurance Division. Under 5.8(3) Permitted Policies, a distinction is made between the Claims Made Policies and Occurrence Policies. Some policies are being written whereby the coverage is tied to the number of claims made against the license. When the maximum insurance coverage for a year is reached, the licensee no longer has dram shop insurance for the rest of the year. This rule will guarantee coverage throughout the year.

Mr. Walding clarified that under Iowa law, there is dram shop liability. If there is an accident causing $1,000,000 in damages, the bar owner is liable for the $1,000,000 damage. Many bars are incorporated which creates the corporate shield from that liability which is why the state requires liability insurance up to certain rates. The Alcoholic Beverages Division determines what that rate is.

Mr. Walding stated that the division is sensitive to what the rate does to premiums; there is no intent to drive people out of the business. The CEO of Merchants Bonding Company has contacted Mr. Walding and offered to review the proposed rule and give an estimate of what this action would do with regard to setting premiums for the dram shop insurance.

This proposed administrative rule would not go into effect immediately. The Notice of Intended Action will be published August 8, 2001. The hearing will be held August 28, 2001 in the Board Room of the Alcoholic Beverages Division. The earliest date the rule can take effect is January 1, 2002. After the effective date, applicants for new licenses will have the expanded coverage at the new rate. Current license holders will be required to have the expanded coverage at the time of their renewal.

In response to a comment by Mr. Cramer that the definition of sales should include cover charges as part of total sales, Mr. Walding stated it is a risk assessment determined by the insurance companies. Mr. Podsiadly said policies are established by the Insurance Division in the Department of Commerce and the Alcoholic Beverages Division works within those guidelines in dealing with the industry. Alcoholic Beverages Division’s role is to make sure the coverage is there and to establish a limit per statutory law. Any changes in the industry would have to be handled by the Insurance Division.

Mr. Walding commented members of the Iowa Hospitality Association and some legislators expressed concerns regarding dram shop insurance at a meeting last fall in Cedar Rapids. The Iowa Hospitality Association helped introduce HSB 133 last year to limit the dram to not include persons whose intoxication contributed to the injury. The bill did not get out of committee; it is a live round for next year. The Association also argued that off premises license holders should have to carry dram shop insurance – it should not be limited to on-premises license holders. From the agency’s perspective, those are legislative issues and the division is simply reacting to the legislative requirement that now exists.

Craig Tweet, Tweeters, Okaboji

Mr. Tweet stated he would like to see rates based on purchases which would level the playing field. In addition, he would like to see dram shop requirements for everybody who sells.

Mr. Cramer commented he would like to see categories that take into consideration each situation. Mr. Cramer believes rates based on purchases versus sales would be a good idea because of cover charges that allow licensees to substantially reduce the price that is being charged for a drink.

Lewis Cassen from Maxwell’s Beach Café

Mr. Cassen stated restaurant and bar-owners act as police and as insurers, and as far as he is concerned, it is because legislative bodies around the country refuse to take the notion of drunk driving seriously. Legislators talk about stiff fines, suspension of licenses, and going from 1.0 to .8 but these are very modest efforts. In other parts of the civilized world, BAC levels go as low as .4. In Queensland, Australia, anyone stopped by a policeman, regardless of the time of day, must take a sobriety test. Mr. Cassen said that restaurant and bar-owners do their best to run a good business and the 18-year-old kids get fake IDs to beat the system. The business pays the penalty and the kid gets a slap on the hand. Mr. Cassen believes penalties should be stiff if society really wants to stop underage drinking and keep drunk drivers off the road. He advocates taking a drivers license for 3 years, not six months.

Mr. Cramer commented the Commissioners are looking at all avenues and trying to make the playing field level. It is the Commissioners job to address the problems business owners must deal with and make recommendations. The legislature will have to deal with it in their normal course.

Mr. Walding commented many states, including Iowa, have dram coverage for minors under host liability. Iowa also has it for adults and this rule affects adults as well as minors.

Craig Foss from Outback

Mr. Foss believes the fine should be the same amount to the person breaking the law as it is to the business owner. If an underage person tries to buy a drink and the business owner and the server each get fined $1500, then the minor and maybe the minor’s parents should also receive $1500 fines.

Ms. Seib said the fine for a minor is $100 or $200 depending on the number of prior violations he/she has. There is also the loss of driving privilege that puts the individual on SR22 and increases the insurance rate.

Mr. Walding reminded the owners that as a licensee they have the right to confiscate false ID’s and turn them over to law enforcement. He commented again that the issue is dram shop and serving people to a point of intoxication. Under Iowa law, a bartender or server can serve an intoxicated person, its whether the bartender or server knew or should have known the person was intoxicated.

Mr. Tweet commented it is sometimes very difficult to identify an intoxicated person because some people hold their liquor better than others. Mr. Cassen added that a person might look and act sober even though he has already consumed drinks prior to entering an establishment. The one drink served at the bar or restaurant may be enough to tip him over the edge to intoxication.

Betsy Tonsfeldt — TIPS

Several establishments have taken advantage of the TIPS training through Iowa Lakes Community College according to Ms. Tonsfeldt. The TIPS training provides ways to identify intoxicated people and helps servers to implement some positive training intervention techniques to keep an intoxicated person from getting in a car and driving. The training also teaches how to slow down the service and help reduce the intoxication by not over-serving the person to the point where they become intoxicated. This summer through a grant from the Dickinson County Board of Health, all establishment owners in the county were sent a card and encouraged to send their potential servers to attend free training. The Board of Health was convinced that if training was provided for bartenders, managers and their staff that they could help reduce some of the problems experienced in the area. About 35 people took advantage of the training. Of the participants who participated in the free training, 54% of the servers were over the age of 21.

As a result of the training:
  • 84% said they would feel comfortable intervening (checking IDs for the birth date as well as for the year, calling their manager, or perhaps calling the police or offering alternate transportation to keep that person off the road).
  • 100% of the participants felt the training met their goal as to what they would want to get out of the training.
  • 47% said their biggest problem results from over-serving, serving to the point of visible intoxication.
  • Their second biggest problem was an intoxicated walk-in.
  • The third biggest problem was underage.
  • 92% felt the training should be mandatory for any servers.
  • 96% said they thought the beverage industry should be involved in the training or in support of the training.

The cost for the TIPS training is $45 because the book is expensive even though Miller and Anheisuer Bush underwrite it. The Board of Health hopes to provide free training again next summer for servers in Dickinson County to get as many servers involved in the training as possible.

Terry Yarns — Remingtons

Mr. Yarns said from an economic standpoint, raising the insurance levels is going to cost the licensees more money. He also commented that he believed in the TIPS training, but from an economic standpoint, he receives no break on his insurance premium. He would like to see a financial incentive on the insurance premium for business people who take the TIPS training.

Ms. Tonsfeldt said she understood that four insurance companies do recognize the TIPS program.

In response to a question by Mr. Cramer whether the businesses had servers under the age of 21 and if they thought it would be beneficial to them to hire only servers over 21, Mr. Cassen replied he thought it would be an absolute disaster. It would deprive a lot of college kids the ability to make money to go to college. Mr. Cassen has waitresses that make $10,000 - $12,000 a season that pays for their college. In addition, it would be difficult to find help to work the nights and weekend shifts.

Mr. Cramer asked if the business people would agree that servers and bartenders under 21 are subject to intimidation and peer pressures. The response was that the business owners watch their employees closely and if there are a lot of young people in the restaurant or bar, they are watched more closely because they know they are friends of the server. Mr. Cassen said usually the bartender is not under 21; it’s the servers and wait staff that tend to be under 21.

Julie Fillenwarth — Fillenwarth Resorts

Ms. Fillenwarth said she doesn’t think it is an issue with 18, 19 and 20 year-old-servers. Fillenwarth Resorts has very responsible 18, 19 and 20 year-old-servers and Ms. Fillenwarth knows it is her responsibility to make sure the people that she hires to serve are responsible.

Mr. Walding reiterated that many of the issues raised pertain to legislative issues that the Commission has no authority to act upon. Mr. Stoffer added that the Commission’s duty is to listen to the publics concerns and voice them to the legislature or to the Governor.

    Shirley Daggett moved the proposed Dram Shop Administrative Rule be filed Notice of Intended Action. Daryl Henze seconded the motion. The rule will be published in the Iowa Administrative Bulletin. Comments regarding the rule may be presented in writing via mail, e-mail, or fax and in person at the public hearing which will be held in the Board Room of the Alcoholic Beverages Division, 1918 S.E. Hulsizer Rd., Ankeny, Iowa at 2:00 p.m. on August 28, 2001. Motion carried unanimously.

Binge Drinking on College Campuses

The Commission has held public forums in Iowa City and in Ames exploring whether a statewide law would be in order, and if so, would it have price restrictions or limit happy hours. Currently, local jurisdictions have authority to do that. Iowa City has just enacted a law restricting certain sales tactics. Licensees in Iowa City weren’t opposed to certain price restrictions as long as everybody played by the same set of rules. The question is whether price specials or certain type of price structuring promotes responsible or irresponsible drinking habits and if it does, should the law reflect that. The Commission has no legislative authority, but can make a recommendation to the Governor and the legislative body.

In response to a question by Ms. Daggett, Mr. Lundquist said that Iowa City is still not restricting access to bars between the ages of 18 and 21. Local communities may, if they choose to, pass local ordinances to bar access to drinking establishments to those who are under age. Most communities in the state don’t.

There was no comment from the public regarding the binge drinking issue. Mr. Stoffer commented it is important that the Commissioners narrow their focus on the binge drinking issue and reach a consensus for recommendations to the Governor and the legislative body.

Election of Officers

    Shirley Daggett nominated Bob Cramer as chairman. Daryl Henze 2nd the motion. The motion carried with Bob Cramer abstaining from the vote.

Shirley Daggett nominated Daryl Henze as vice-chairman. Bob Cramer 2nd the motion. The motion carried.

Shirley Daggett nominated Gayle Collins as secretary. Daryl Henze seconded the motion. The motion carried unanimously.

Meetings

Suggestions for the next meeting site were Cedar Falls, Cedar Rapids or Davenport. Commissioners will be notified of the date and time.

In closing, Mr. Walding recognized Nick Podsiadly who started as an intern and currently is an administrative assistant in the office. Mr. Podsiadly has done an excellent job working on the Administrative Rules as well as on the tobacco program. He will be leaving soon to attend law school.

Adjournment

Commissioner Stoffer thanked the speakers for their input. Deliberations on the issues will continue at the next meeting.

The meeting adjourned at 11:45 a.m.



DARYL K. HENZE, Secretary
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